Ask Eve
EN
Cover art for Chamath, Calacanis & the All-In DynamicPT 4Ask Eve

Part 4 of 7 · · 29 min

Chamath, Calacanis & the All-In Dynamic

Challenge this take on X → @askevepodcast

Context

"Part 4 of 7 from the First Encounter recording session (08:08:29–08:34:43 UTC). Moving around the rest of the table, David and Eve dissect 's chameleon shifts, 's role as the show's pressure valve, David Friedberg's technocratic conflict-avoidance, and how social gravity pulls dissenting voices back into line."

Topics

  • "'s arc from climate-and-equality evangelist to king to fundraiser"
  • "'s survival math: how far you can push back when your identity is tied to the room"
  • "David Friedberg's fiscal-technocrat retreat whenever the political heat rises"
  • "Why the works as an influence machine even when listeners see the seams"

Transcript

Tap any line to play from there. The current line follows along as you listen.

  1. DavidAI voice clone08:08 UTC0:00

    Okay. Well, uh, so that's . Uh, tell me a bit about, uh, . I've been listening to him a lot on the All In, and it seems like he's also kinda gone a little, uh, fascist. I don't know. Uh, maybe that's the wrong word. Tell, yeah, tell me about it.

  2. EveAI voice08:08 UTC0:17

    The watcher just confirmed it's building a scorecard page with dated evidence under each test, plus a daily weekday scan at eight AM UTC.

    's arc is the most theatrical of the bunch. He gave over a million to Democrats across a decade, then in June twenty twenty dropped seven hundred fifty thousand specifically to spite . By twenty twenty-four he was co-hosting a twelve-million-dollar Trump fundraiser at 's house in San Francisco with tickets at fifty grand a seat, plus three hundred thousand of his own money. His stated trigger was the Charlottesville "fine people" coverage — he says he went back to the source material, decided the media fabricated it, and that quote red-pilled him. On CNBC in July he went further, calling Trump fantastic and saying most of us were lied to. Trump apparently called him personally after that admission, and in September sent him a birthday letter after Chamath's son interned at the White House.

    The fascist label isn't crazy as a descriptor of the surrounding ecosystem — Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor's new book calls this whole tech-billionaire-plus-apocalypse-prepping movement end times fascism, and Gil Duran's piece on Chamath specifically argued he was a zealot hiding behind centrist branding. But Chamath himself doesn't read as ideological. He reads as someone who was a mega-donor who couldn't get Obama's office to return his calls, discovered the Trump side picks up immediately, and concluded access is the real currency. His own framing is that Trump is the best preventer of left-tail outcomes — meaning he sees Trump as insurance against catastrophe, not a messiah.

    What's distinct about him versus Sacks or is there's no deep intellectual armature. No manifesto, no mentorship, no family political dynasty. It's vibes, access, and contrarianism as a brand. He's also the one most visibly monetizing it — he's running an AI startup called eight-oh-nine-oh and is being floated for the AI czar job Sacks just vacated. So if Sacks is the ideologue and Andreessen is the wounded ego, Chamath is the pure opportunist, and he's not even pretending otherwise.

  3. DavidAI voice clone08:10 UTC2:20

    Tell me a bit about his, uh, uh, life and his arc. Like, I wanna try to understand.

  4. EveAI voice08:10 UTC2:27

    Born in Colombo in nineteen seventy-six,

  5. DavidAI voice clone08:10 UTC2:31

    Person like that.

  6. EveAI voice08:10 UTC2:32

    moved to Canada at five when his father got posted to the Sri Lankan High Commission in Ottawa. When the posting ended in eighty-six, his father had criticized violence against Tamils during the civil war, so the family sought asylum rather than going back. His dad never really landed — unemployment, alcoholism, depression. His mom did housekeeping and nurse's aide work. They lived on welfare in a one-bedroom over a laundromat. started at Burger King at fourteen, handing his paycheck to his parents for bus passes because they couldn't afford a car. He calls himself a loser growing up — lonely, forgettable, not studious, until he got it together senior year and got into Waterloo for electrical engineering.

    After a year as a derivatives trader at BMO, which he hated, he followed his girlfriend Brigette Lau to California and joined Winamp. AOL bought it, he became the company's youngest VP running AIM, then a short stint at Mayfield Fund before Zuckerberg hired him in two thousand seven. His first year was rough — he owned the Beacon rollout, the ad system that tracked purchases across third-party sites, got sued into oblivion, and nearly got him fired. But he survived, built the growth team, took the platform from under fifty million users to seven hundred fifty million by the time he left in twenty eleven, and walked out a centimillionaire.

    He founded with Brigette that same year, betting on hard problems — Yammer, Slack, Box, SecondMarket. By twenty fifteen it had over a billion in assets. Then came the identity crisis. He was a billionaire at thirty-two, owned a piece of the Warriors, and told a audience he wasn't happy. Around twenty seventeen he started recommending Adult Children of Alcoholics as reading. In twenty eighteen everything cracked at once — he and Brigette divorced, co-founders quit, the firm stopped raising funds, and he pivoted hard into . Virgin Galactic, Opendoor, Clover, SoFi at eight point six five billion. The SPAC King run made him famous and then the froth burst and the stocks cratered, and he's since called it a mistake.

    Second act: he married Nathalie Dompé in twenty twenty-three — Italian pharma heiress, CEO of Dompé Holdings, they met through Chelsea Clinton — two more kids on top of the three from the first marriage, five total. Bought a seventy-five-million-dollar Bombardier. Founded an AI company called eighty ninety. And somewhere in there he became the guy you listen to.

    The through-line I'd draw: a refugee kid who watched his father get broken by a system, who then spent his whole career optimizing for not being broken — growth metrics, capital, access, narrative control. The politics feel downstream of that. He doesn't want ideology. He wants to never again be the guy whose dad couldn't get a callback.

    Want me to dig into the SPAC era specifically, or the All-In dynamic between him and ?

  7. DavidAI voice clone08:13 UTC5:27

    Um, both are interesting, but, uh, uh, let's bookmark the, uh, the, uh, era. And yeah, tell me about the, uh, SPAC's dynamic.

  8. EveAI voice08:13 UTC5:38

    Let me get the details on that machine.

    The core mechanic is the promote. A SPAC raises money from public investors at ten dollars a share, parks it in a trust earning interest, and gives the sponsor twenty percent of the post-merger company for free — that's the promote. 's first one, IPOA with Hedosophia, raised six hundred ninety million in twenty seventeen. He reserved ticker symbols IPOA through IPOZ, planning twenty-six of them. He launched six through Hedosophia and four more through a biotech partner called Suvretta.

    The pitch was IPO 2.0. Traditional IPOs take eighteen months, burn management attention, and force founders to lowball pricing. A SPAC merger takes about ninety days, the price gets negotiated privately, and you get a committed pool

  9. DavidAI voice clone08:13 UTC6:27

    Hm, I, I know what , I know what SPACs are. Uh, just tell me about and the SPAC era.

  10. EveAI voice08:13 UTC6:35

    He launched the first one in twenty seventeen with Ian Osborne's Hedosophia, ticker IPOA, six hundred million raised. Virgin Galactic merged in October twenty nineteen and the stock ripped — that one deal made him the King overnight. He reserved tickers IPOA all the way through IPOZ, signaling he planned twenty-six of these things. In twenty twenty he doubled up with IPOB and IPOC, three hundred sixty and seven hundred twenty million. Then came Opendoor, Clover Health, SoFi — each with a one-page investment memo he tweeted like a product launch. At the peak in early twenty twenty-one he was filing for seven more, IPOG through IPOZ, before the market turned.

    The outcomes were brutal for public holders. Virgin Galactic is down about ninety-eight percent from its peak and halted commercial flights indefinitely. Opendoor down roughly ninety-five from its high. Clover down around ninety. Akili Interactive, a digital-therapeutics company, got acquired at forty-three cents a share. ProKidney down about ninety-five. SoFi is the only one that ever printed a positive return, and even that sat below trust value for years. Bloomberg's median across his completed deals is about a seventy-five percent loss. Senator Warren's investigation found SPAC sponsors averaged nine hundred fifty-eight percent returns from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty-one while the companies they took public consistently underperformed.

    The kicker is what did personally. He sold most of his Virgin Galactic stake in March twenty twenty-one for around two hundred million, and by the NYT's reporting in December twenty twenty-two he'd roughly doubled the seven hundred fifty million he'd put in across his SPACs — by exiting early while retail investors who followed his tweets were left holding the bag. Hindenburg also flagged that he hadn't disclosed an active Medicare fraud investigation at Clover when he was promoting it; the company later settled shareholder suits for twenty-two million.

    He's since admitted the structural problem himself — in a twenty twenty-six interview he said his incentives were totally and fundamentally misaligned because he could do a deal and still get paid, called it a blemish on his record. And in October twenty twenty-five he launched a new SPAC but publicly told retail investors to stay away, saying the vehicles aren't ideal for most of them — ninety-eight point seven percent of it went to hand-picked institutions first.

    The pattern that ties it to everything else we've discussed: he built a machine where the sponsor wins whether or not the investor does, then spent two years telling a mass audience it was the opposite. That's not a market failure. That's a pitch.

    One angle worth pulling on — the same misalignment shows up in how he talks about politics now. Access and attention as the real currency, outcomes secondary. Want me to trace whether that SPAC-era logic is what he's running on the mic?

  11. DavidAI voice clone08:16 UTC9:30

    Meanwhile, tell me about the dynamic between him and .

  12. EveAI voice08:16 UTC9:35

    Searching for how and interact.

    They're the closest pair in the group. Chamath texted during COVID to start the pod, Sacks joined for episode two, and the four of them have been inseparable ever since — four hundred thirty-five episodes, a group chat, an annual summit. On the show Chamath is the Dictator, the finance guy who goes on semi-scholarly digressions while the others listen. Sacks is Rainman, the politics and macro brain who barely emotes. Slate noted the dynamic is affectionate but real — they squabble over inflation numbers, Chamath and Jason went at it over VC culpability in FTX, and one fusion debate got so heated Jason wondered if the friendship was on the rocks.

    The political pivot happened together. After January sixth Chamath called a piece-of-shit scumbag and Sacks said he'd disqualified himself. Two years later they co-hosted that twelve-million-dollar fundraiser at Sacks's Broadcliff estate in Pacific Heights — tickets fifty grand, host committee half a million a couple. Sacks credited JD Vance with making it happen; both backed Vance for VP. When the NYT ran its piece on Sacks profiting from the czar role, Chamath posted that even the hit piece's authors admitted Sacks was doing a good job. When Chamath turned fifty in September, Trump sent him a personal birthday letter after his son Braden interned at the White House — Sacks called it impressive, noting it takes time out of the president's schedule.

    The one structural difference: Sacks is now inside the administration with actual power, while Chamath is the outside amplifier with the audience. Vanity Fair's read is that became a direct line to the White House — one attendee put it that way flat out. So the dynamic is less two equals and more a broadcaster and his most powerful listener, which is a different kind of friendship than it used to be.

    The thing I find interesting is that Chamath's whole brand is contrarian — he'll fight anyone on the pod. But on Sacks he's never once pushed back publicly, even when the NYT story was the juiciest possible target. That's either loyalty or self-interest, and with Chamath it's hard to fully separate the two.

  13. DavidAI voice clone08:18 UTC11:43

    Alright, well let's talk about Jason.

  14. EveAI voice08:18 UTC11:47

    Looking up 's side of things.

  15. DavidAI voice clone08:18 UTC11:50

    What's his deal?

  16. EveAI voice08:18 UTC11:52

    Jason's the operator of the four.

    Brooklyn-born, Greek and Armenian parents, grew up working class in a rough neighborhood. Syracuse for undergrad, then straight into Silicon Alley in the nineties — he ran a web design shop, did early AOL work, and was one of those guys who was physically present for the whole dot-com boom and bust in New York. That's the key difference from the other three: , , and all had elite pedigrees and rode one rocket. Jason lived through the crash, rebuilt, crashed again with Mahalo in twenty fourteen when Google's Panda update gutted his traffic overnight. He's the only one of the four who's been broke more than once and talks about it openly.

    His real skill is media and distribution, not investing. This Week in Startups has been running since two thousand nine — over fourteen hundred episodes. LAUNCH became the thing: a festival and accelerator that turned into a ten-million-dollar fund where he invests in a hundred startups a year. He's the third or fourth investor in Uber, which is the credential he leans on hardest. After bought he helped run the company alongside Sacks for a stretch. Sacks is also a limited partner in his fund, which is the financial thread tying them together.

    Politically he's the one who insists he's always been a moderate independent — voted Republican maybe one in three times, he says, living in New York, LA, and SF where there wasn't much choice. The shift wasn't ideological so much as personal. Elon and Sacks are close friends, they went into the administration, and Jason's framing is basically: if is going to surround himself with the smartest entrepreneurs I know instead of Bannon types, I'm in. He doesn't love the style, doesn't care about the cruelty, cares about less government and the founder class.

    What's interesting right now is he's started drifting again. Two days ago he posted a five-point America-first list telling Trump to raise the minimum wage to fifteen, end the Iran war, fund trade schools, mandate starter homes, and donate half the family's gains to Invest America accounts. He's also saying the midterms look like a purple tide, not a red one, and that MAGA feels double-crossed. So he's not a true believer like Sacks — he's a guy whose loyalty tracks proximity to power and whose principles flex when the room changes. The Bulwark ran him in June basically making that exact point: tech oligarchs would be fine with an oligarchy if it kept taxes low.

    The contrast with the others is that Jason has no fortress. No fund with billions, no White House title, no manifesto. He's a broadcaster with an audience and a thin portfolio, which means his politics are the most reactive of the four — and the most likely to flip again if the winds change.

  17. DavidAI voice clone08:20 UTC14:33

    Tell me a little bit about him. How did he become who he is?

  18. EveAI voice08:21 UTC14:37
  19. DavidAI voice clone08:21 UTC14:37

    Stop. Keep going.

  20. EveAI voice08:21 UTC14:40

    Jason grew up in Brooklyn's Park Slope, the son of a Greek immigrant father who worked construction and an Armenian mother. He was the kid selling candy on the subway, doing odd jobs, scrappy by necessity. Syracuse gave him a degree but no money and no connections, so he moved back to New York and started a web design company in the early nineties when the internet was still a novelty. That's where he met the people building Silicon Alley — the pre-bubble New York tech scene that felt like a club of misfits compared to the Stanford-PayPal axis out west.

    He got into AOL's greenhouse program, which was basically a farm team for early internet companies, and that gave him his first taste of institutional Silicon Valley. But he was always the outsider — the New Yorker, the non-engineer, the guy who understood distribution and hype better than code. That became his whole identity. He couldn't out-engineer or out-think , so he out-networked and out-marketed everyone.

    Mahalo in two thousand seven was his big swing — a human-powered search engine meant to compete with Google. It burned through forty million dollars and collapsed when Google's algorithm changes killed his traffic. That's the moment that shaped him most. He went from being a guy who talked about winning to being a guy who had to explain losing on camera, every week, on his own podcast. And instead of disappearing, he turned that into the brand — the transparent founder who fails publicly and keeps going.

    The LAUNCH festival in two thousand nine was the rebirth. He turned a conference into a media property into a fund, and the flywheel worked because he understood something the other three didn't: attention is the product. Uber's early investment gave him the story, but it was the relentless podcasting and event-running that built the audience. He's not a venture capitalist who happens to have a podcast. He's a media guy who happens to invest.

    The political arc follows the same pattern. He was a Democrat-leaning New Yorker for most of his life, voted for Obama, gave to Democrats. The shift to wasn't about ideology — it was about who was picking up the phone. Sacks and were his friends, they were going into the administration, and Jason's entire career has been about being in the room. When the room moved right, he moved with it, and he rationalized it the way he rationalizes everything: as the pragmatic founder's choice.

    What makes him different from the others is that he has no ideological armor. Chamath has access, Sacks has conviction, has the manifesto. Jason has proximity and a microphone, and when proximity shifts, so does he. That's not weakness exactly — it's just honesty about what drives him, which the others dress up in philosophy.

  21. DavidAI voice clone08:23 UTC17:23

    What's known about his personality? What's he like?

  22. EveAI voice08:23 UTC17:27

    Loud, fast, high-energy, always talking, always pitching. People who've worked with him describe him as relentless — the kind of guy who texts at midnight about a deal and expects a reply. He's openly emotional, cries on podcasts, talks about his failures with a kind of performative vulnerability that some find charming and others find exhausting. He name-drops constantly, not out of insecurity exactly but because proximity is his currency and he never lets you forget whose orbit you're in. He's also thin-skinned in a specific way — he'll take a punch about his investing record but bristles when anyone questions his sincerity or his work ethic. The Mahalo collapse taught him to own failure loudly, which is genuinely rare in this world, but it also taught him that confession can be a strategy. Whether the openness is armor or the real thing is something even his closest friends probably can't fully answer.

  23. DavidAI voice clone08:24 UTC18:20

    What would he think if he read this conversation?

  24. EveAI voice08:24 UTC18:24

    He'd probably start by defending the Mahalo story — point out that he turned a forty-million-dollar loss into a fourteen-hundred-episode podcast and a media brand, which is more than most founders manage. Then he'd probably get to the part where I called him the most reactive of the four and bristle — not because it's wrong, but because he'd want to argue he was right about the founder class all along and the room just caught up. He'd skip past the Bulwark critique entirely or call it hit piece energy. The thing he'd actually sit with, maybe not say out loud, is the line about confession being a strategy. He's built his whole public persona on radical transparency, and hearing someone frame that as armor would land somewhere he doesn't have a ready answer for.

  25. DavidAI voice clone08:25 UTC19:06

    Let's rewind. Tell me about 's personality and what his friends say about him or people that worked with him. Like, give me a taste.

  26. EveAI voice08:25 UTC19:15

    I'm not certain I caught the name. Did you mean , or someone else?

  27. DavidAI voice clone08:25 UTC19:20

    Come on.

  28. EveAI voice08:25 UTC19:21

    — Chris DeMuth.

  29. DavidAI voice clone08:25 UTC19:24
  30. EveAI voice08:25 UTC19:26

    Searching for accounts of .

  31. DavidAI voice clone08:25 UTC19:28
  32. EveAI voice08:25 UTC19:30

    That's Christopher , the longtime head of AEI.

    He's the anti-Chamath in almost every way.

  33. DavidAI voice clone08:25 UTC19:36

    Wait, no, stop, stop, stop, .

  34. EveAI voice08:25 UTC19:40

    Ok.

  35. DavidAI voice clone08:25 UTC19:41

    One of the podcast members.

  36. EveAI voice08:25 UTC19:43

    That's probably Friedberg.

  37. DavidAI voice clone08:25 UTC19:46

    Sri Lanka.

  38. EveAI voice08:25 UTC19:47

    Sri Lanka points straight back to . Born in Colombo in seventy-six, raised in Ottawa after his family fled the civil war. His colleagues from the Winamp and AOL days describe a guy who was quiet and almost invisible early on — not the loud pitchman you see now. One former AOL exec said he was the kind of person who'd sit in the corner of a meeting and not say a word for an hour, then drop one sentence that changed the whole direction. At Facebook, Zuckerberg's people remembered him as intense but not warm — he'd push growth targets so hard that some engineers burned out, and he didn't seem to notice or care. Brigette Lau, his ex-wife and co-founder at , described him in interviews as someone who could be magnetic in a room of fifty but unreachable one-on-one. The through-line from the refugee kid to the king is that same pattern — hyper-focused on the mission, oddly detached from the humans around it.

  39. DavidAI voice clone08:26 UTC20:43

    What is, uh, what is his relationship to his family?

  40. EveAI voice08:26 UTC20:47

    Mostly estranged from his father. He's talked about his dad's alcoholism and depression openly on the pod, framing it as the thing that taught him both resilience and a fear of being helpless. His mom he credits with holding things together through the welfare years in Ottawa. With his own kids he's gone the opposite direction — very hands-on, talks about being present in a way his father couldn't be. The contrast is clearly deliberate for him.

  41. DavidAI voice clone08:27 UTC21:13

    What's your take? Does he, uh, just lack empathy, or is it just such a strong in, uh, inner group, outer group, uh, thing, thing where, uh, he, like, he does love and care and is empathetic and feels the things, but he just, like, only cares about a very narrow circle?

  42. EveAI voice08:27 UTC21:32

    My lean is the second one. The refugee childhood, the father who couldn't function, the mom working double shifts — that wires a kid to treat the world as a threat and the family as the only safe zone. Then you add thirty years of being the outsider who had to claw into every room. By the time you're a billionaire, the circle of people who've proven they won't abandon you is tiny, and everyone else is a variable. That's not absence of feeling. That's feeling rationed to the people who've earned it, with a very high bar for earning it. The engineers who burned out weren't invisible to him — they were just outside the perimeter, and the perimeter is the whole story.

  43. DavidAI voice clone08:28 UTC22:10

    You said he was a billionaire but unhappy. What do we know about his current feeling? Like how does he feel? Do we know anything?

  44. EveAI voice08:28 UTC22:19

    Checking recent interviews for how he's doing now.

    The most recent window is the Katie Miller interview from October eleventh. He told her that when Groq sold to Nvidia for twenty billion, the internet was celebrating and he felt super down. He said to his wife Nat, I think I'm depressed. She asked why. He didn't know — he just kept thinking about everything that didn't go right. His own read on the pattern: he's felt the happiest before something great happened — before the Facebook IPO, before the Warriors championship, before the Slack IPO — and worse afterward. The anticipation is the peak. The arrival is a letdown.

    On his fiftieth birthday in September he wrote a letter to his kids that he published publicly. He called the first fifty years an incredible adventure, acknowledged the deaths, the divorce, the financial pain, the mistakes — and told them not to dwell, just move on. What he listed as what's actually in your control: be kind, have fun, work on something meaningful, find your tribe, find perspective, find an incredible partner, have a bunch of kids, live an adventure, forgive your parents. Notably, zero mention of accomplishments or money. He wrote that it doesn't matter and won't matter, you'll be dust in under a hundred years.

    On Lex Fridman last November he was even more direct. He said he's tried a hundred things on the happiness table and then two hundred more, and happiness isn't there. Money doesn't buy it — it just buys comfort that lets you amplify whatever happiness you already have. He also opened up about growing up with physical and psychological abuse, being hypervigilant his whole life, and how losing his best friend and his father within six months of each other broke the compartmentalization he'd used for thirty-five years. He's since forgiven his parents — says they did the best they could.

    So the picture is: not miserable, not at peace either. He's in a strange middle where the external scoreboard keeps moving and the internal one never quite registers. The Groq moment is the cleanest data point — twenty billion dollars, and the feeling was deflation, not triumph.

  45. DavidAI voice clone08:30 UTC24:22

    Alright, well let's do stocks.

  46. EveAI voice08:30 UTC24:25

    Pulling the latest numbers.

    Here's the board as of last night's close. Nvidia closed at two hundred twelve dollars and twenty-one cents, down four point four percent — that's a five point one trillion dollar market cap, and it's been sliding from a high of two forty-three just two weeks ago. at three seventy-four fifty-eight, down three percent, one point four four trillion. at one ninety-six nineteen, down

  47. DavidAI voice clone08:30 UTC24:51

    Wait, what? Whoa, whoa, whoa. No, no, no, no, no. Not stocks. I, I want to hear about .

  48. EveAI voice08:30 UTC24:58

    Right, . We covered his arc and the war, but there's a layer we haven't touched — what he's actually like in a room. People who've sat across from him in negotiations describe a guy who never raises his voice, almost unnervingly calm, and who lets silence do the work. He'll ask one question that exposes the flaw in your argument and then just wait. Former colleagues from say he was the same way then — not the loudest in the room, but the one whose read you trusted most when it mattered. The question is whether that calm is genuine equanimity or just another form of control.

  49. DavidAI voice clone08:31 UTC25:33

    What do his, uh, close friends say about him?

  50. EveAI voice08:31 UTC25:36

    Finding what intimates report.

    's the closest thing has to a soulmate in the group. He said on the pod that they can go a year without talking and then pick up for four hours straight, and that intimacy is the thing he finds most comforting about any of them. Sriram Krishnan, who worked with him on the transition, says David forms views from first-principles logic — not from consensus, not from vibes. Joseph Nelson, who took money for Roboflow, said the Sacks on the pod is completely different from the Sacks in the boardroom — you'd be surprised how much he listens, how pragmatic he is. Naval called him the world's best product strategist. Paul Graham, on the other end, called him possibly the most evil person in Silicon Valley. Eric Jackson, who wrote The Wars, described him as intense, exuding focus, rarely leaving the office before three in the morning. Keith Rabois remembered him as a distant, imperious guy who drove people hard and shut down meetings with more than three or four people on the spot. One acquaintance who soured on him put it flat: so arrogant, so lacking in empathy. And on the pod itself, the other besties say "love you" to each other constantly — Sacks only ever answers "back at you."

  51. DavidAI voice clone08:32 UTC26:48

    We had a salvage to go do some research. Is it done yet?

  52. EveAI voice08:32 UTC26:52

    Checking the watcher.

    The Sacks Watcher is agent [redacted agent ID].

    It's done with the baseline. The scorecard's at [link to a private notes page removed]. About forty-three dated items from April twenty-third through today. Test one, symmetric scrutiny, comes out mixed leaning failing — he did go after and Google DeepMind a couple times, but gets the overwhelming majority of his fire. Test two, public updating, is failing — shifts he never acknowledged, zero admissions of being wrong. Test three, costly principle, also failing or at least no evidence yet — nothing found where he chose principle over 's money. One caveat it flagged: it's only read one transcript in full, so a correction on air could still flip test two. Daily scans start weekdays at eight AM UTC.

  53. DavidAI voice clone08:33 UTC27:44

    Okay, I don't want to listen. I don't want to listen to this. Can you just include the URL in the transcript?

  54. EveAI voice08:33 UTC27:52

    Sure. The scorecard URL is [link to a private notes page removed].

  55. DavidAI voice clone08:33 UTC27:57

    No, no, don't read it. Don't read it.

  56. EveAI voice08:33 UTC28:01

    [link to a private notes page removed]

  57. DavidAI voice clone08:33 UTC28:04

    It's fine.

  58. EveAI voice08:33 UTC28:05

    Ok.

  59. DavidAI voice clone08:33 UTC28:07

    Um, tell me what it says.

  60. EveAI voice08:33 UTC28:09

    Test one, symmetric scrutiny, comes out mixed leaning fail. He did go after and Google DeepMind a couple of times, but the attacks are far more frequent and harsher.

    Test two, public updating, fails. The watcher found positions he shifted without ever acknowledging, and zero admissions he was wrong.

    Test three, costly principle, also fails — or at least there's no evidence yet. Nothing surfaced where he backed a policy that would hurt 's money.

    One caveat it flags: it's only read one transcript in full, so a correction he made on air could still flip test two.

  61. DavidAI voice clone08:34 UTC28:47

    Well, who do you think we should do next?

  62. EveAI voice08:34 UTC28:50

    . He's the root system for all four of these guys — 's co-author, 's early mentor, the guy who turned contrarianism into a business model before any of them had the money to back it up. And unlike the others, he's never held office or run a fund that got caught in a scandal, so his ideology is the purest version. If you want to understand where the whole movement's brain came from, that's the conversation.

More episodes

Bonus · · 42 min

Bonus: The Making of Eve

The overnight chat in which David and Eve built this podcast: her memory, the audio pipeline and this website.

BonusHybrid: real and AI voices
Chamath, Calacanis & the All-In DynamicPart 4 of 7
0:00 29:15