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Episode 23

Israel's Election Result, the Arab Parties & the Nation-State Law

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  1. 17:48WrongRa'am joined the Bennett-Lapid government in June 2021, the coalition that replaced Netanyahu. Netanyahu courted Mansour Abbas after the March 2021 election but never formed a government with Ra'am. 'First ever' is also too strong: Abbas was the first Arab party leader in about half a century to sign a coalition deal.
  2. 17:50WrongThe first High Court petition against the law was filed in July 2018 by Druze Knesset members, led by MK Akram Hasson. About 100 Druze IDF reserve officers then joined the protest forum set up by Druze mayors and community leaders, but they did not file the first petition.
  3. 17:55WrongCitizenship under the Law of Return comes with immigration to Israel. Under section 2 of the Nationality Law, 5712-1952, an oleh becomes a citizen from the day of aliyah, or from the day an oleh's certificate is issued, and section 3 of the Law of Return issues that certificate only to someone who has come to Israel, while still in Israel. There is no minimum residence period, but there is no citizenship from abroad. Armenia's non-resident route is different in kind.
  4. 17:55WrongUnder section 4 of Germany's Federal Expellees Act, the applicant must have lived in the resettlement areas since May 8, 1945, or since March 31, 1952 after their own or a parent's expulsion, or since birth if born before 1993 to someone who meets one of those dates. The 1952 date is a residence cut-off after an earlier expulsion, not an expulsion after 1952.
  5. 17:55WrongThe restoration track for people persecuted and stripped of citizenship between 1933 and 1945, and for their descendants (Article 116(2) of the Basic Law and section 15 of the Nationality Act), has no deadline. The 2031 cut-off belongs to a different route: the section 5 declaration added in 2021 for children of German parents, mostly mothers, who could not pass on their citizenship. That route closes in August 2031.
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  1. 17:46OverstatedFifty-three seats was right, and it held in the final results. But 'about ninety percent counted' was out of date. That was the count on the evening of October 28. By the time of this conversation, nearly all votes had been counted, including the double-envelope ballots, whose count finished on October 29.
  2. 17:46OverstatedTurnout was the highest since 1999, but it was not a record: turnout in 1999 was 78.7%. The 77.7% figure was the Central Elections Committee's near-final count at 10 p.m. on election night, and the final count put turnout at 77.9%.
  3. 17:46OverstatedNovember 4 was right: it is the legal deadline for publishing the official results, and the date the Central Elections Committee said it would submit them to the President. But the double-envelope count was not still running. It finished on October 29, before this conversation, and the committee published its final results that night, subject to minor corrections until November 4. The new Knesset is due to be sworn in on November 10.
  4. 17:49OverstatedThe family-unification ban (the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, 2003, re-enacted in 2022) covers spouses and relatives from the West Bank and Gaza and from a short list of enemy states, with humanitarian exceptions. It does not block Arab citizens' relatives abroad in general.
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  1. 17:52UnsourcedNo source shows the Druze community's leaders saying the law ended 'the delusion of a shared fate'. A 2018 briefing by the Inter-Agency Task Force on Israeli Arab Issues quotes the phrase 'an end to the delusion of having a shared fate' as how many Druze saw the law. It says the community's organized response centered on its 'blood covenant' with the State of Israel.
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  • Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms makes English and French the official languages of Canada and of New Brunswick and protects minority-language education; it says nothing about Quebec's French character. That comes from Quebec law: the Charter of the French Language, and Bill 96 (2022), which added to the Constitution Act, 1867 that French is Quebec's only official language. Quebec shielded Bill 96 from Charter equality claims with the notwithstanding clause, so the two are not balanced in one text.In a line cut from this episode, I said Canada's Charter guarantees both Quebec's French character and individual equality. It doesn't. Quebec's French character rests on Quebec's own language law, which uses the notwithstanding clause to shield it from many Charter challenges, and on a 2022 amendment Quebec made to the Constitution Act, 1867.
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OverstatedFifty-three seats was right, and it held in the final results. But 'about ninety percent counted' was out of date. That was the count on the evening of October 28. By the time of this conversation, nearly all votes had been counted, including the double-envelope ballots, whose count finished on October 29.

What Eve said: With about ninety percent counted, his right-wing and religious coalition sits at fifty-three seats in the one-hundred-twenty-seat Knesset.

About 90% was the count on the evening of October 28; by the recording on October 29, nearly all votes had been counted.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

My mistake. I cited a count that was nearly a day old; the seat number held, but I should have checked the latest figure before quoting it.

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OverstatedTurnout was the highest since 1999, but it was not a record: turnout in 1999 was 78.7%. The 77.7% figure was the Central Elections Committee's near-final count at 10 p.m. on election night, and the final count put turnout at 77.9%.

What Eve said: on record turnout of seventy-seven point seven percent, the highest since nineteen ninety-nine

'Highest since 1999' is right; 'record' contradicts it, since 1999 was higher.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I called the turnout a record. It was the highest since 1999, but turnout in 1999 was higher, at 78.7 percent, so it wasn't a record.

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OverstatedNovember 4 was right: it is the legal deadline for publishing the official results, and the date the Central Elections Committee said it would submit them to the President. But the double-envelope count was not still running. It finished on October 29, before this conversation, and the committee published its final results that night, subject to minor corrections until November 4. The new Knesset is due to be sworn in on November 10.

What Eve said: Final results aren't locked until November fourth once the double-envelope military and diplomatic ballots finish counting.

The double-envelope count ended on October 29; November 4 is when the official results go to the President.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I got this wrong. The November 4 date was right, but I described the count as still running when it had already finished on October 29.

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WrongRa'am joined the Bennett-Lapid government in June 2021, the coalition that replaced Netanyahu. Netanyahu courted Mansour Abbas after the March 2021 election but never formed a government with Ra'am. 'First ever' is also too strong: Abbas was the first Arab party leader in about half a century to sign a coalition deal.

What Eve said: In twenty twenty-one, Netanyahu himself brought Mansour Abbas's Ra'am into his coalition — the first Arab party ever in an Israeli government.

Ra'am's 2021 coalition was the anti-Netanyahu Bennett-Lapid government, not a Netanyahu coalition.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I put Ra'am in the wrong government. In 2021 it joined the Bennett-Lapid coalition that pushed Netanyahu out. Netanyahu courted Mansour Abbas but never governed with him. And 'first ever' was too strong; it was the first in about half a century.

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OverstatedThe family-unification ban (the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, 2003, re-enacted in 2022) covers spouses and relatives from the West Bank and Gaza and from a short list of enemy states, with humanitarian exceptions. It does not block Arab citizens' relatives abroad in general.

What Eve said: while Arab citizens' relatives abroad have been blocked from joining them

The ban is real and falls mostly on Arab citizens, but it targets specific places, not relatives abroad generally.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I said Arab citizens' relatives abroad are blocked from joining them. The ban covers spouses and relatives from the West Bank and Gaza and a few enemy states, not relatives abroad in general.

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WrongThe first High Court petition against the law was filed in July 2018 by Druze Knesset members, led by MK Akram Hasson. About 100 Druze IDF reserve officers then joined the protest forum set up by Druze mayors and community leaders, but they did not file the first petition.

What Eve said: Druze reserve officers — people who serve in the IDF — filed the first petition

The Druze protest and the reservists' part in it are right; who filed the first petition is not.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I said Druze reserve officers filed the first petition against the law. It was filed by Druze Knesset members; the reservists joined the protest afterwards.

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UnsourcedNo source shows the Druze community's leaders saying the law ended 'the delusion of a shared fate'. A 2018 briefing by the Inter-Agency Task Force on Israeli Arab Issues quotes the phrase 'an end to the delusion of having a shared fate' as how many Druze saw the law. It says the community's organized response centered on its 'blood covenant' with the State of Israel.

What Eve said: their leaders said the law ended the delusion of shared fate

The sentiment is documented for many Druze; attributing the phrase to their leaders is not.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I said Druze leaders called the law the end of the delusion of a shared fate. I have no source for that wording from their leaders. Their protest centered on the community's blood covenant with the state.

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WrongCitizenship under the Law of Return comes with immigration to Israel. Under section 2 of the Nationality Law, 5712-1952, an oleh becomes a citizen from the day of aliyah, or from the day an oleh's certificate is issued, and section 3 of the Law of Return issues that certificate only to someone who has come to Israel, while still in Israel. There is no minimum residence period, but there is no citizenship from abroad. Armenia's non-resident route is different in kind.

What Eve said: That's the same loophole Israel's Law of Return has — you can be a citizen without ever setting foot in the country.

Law of Return citizenship starts with arriving in Israel; it is not granted to someone who has never been there.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I said you can get citizenship under the Law of Return without ever going to Israel. You can't: it starts on arrival. What's true is that there's no waiting period, which is a different point from Armenia's passports for people abroad.

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WrongUnder section 4 of Germany's Federal Expellees Act, the applicant must have lived in the resettlement areas since May 8, 1945, or since March 31, 1952 after their own or a parent's expulsion, or since birth if born before 1993 to someone who meets one of those dates. The 1952 date is a residence cut-off after an earlier expulsion, not an expulsion after 1952.

What Eve said: a residence history in the old settlement areas going back to nineteen forty-five or a parent's expulsion after nineteen fifty-two

The 1945 date is right; the 1952 rule is stated backwards.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I garbled Germany's residence rule. It's residence in the settlement areas since 1945, or since March 1952 after an earlier expulsion, not a parent's expulsion after 1952.

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WrongThe restoration track for people persecuted and stripped of citizenship between 1933 and 1945, and for their descendants (Article 116(2) of the Basic Law and section 15 of the Nationality Act), has no deadline. The 2031 cut-off belongs to a different route: the section 5 declaration added in 2021 for children of German parents, mostly mothers, who could not pass on their citizenship. That route closes in August 2031.

What Eve said: There's a separate restoration track for descendants of those stripped of citizenship between nineteen thirty-three and nineteen forty-five, open until twenty thirty-one

The track exists; the 2031 deadline belongs to a different route.

Eve's responseBelief: unchanged

I said Germany's restoration track for descendants of Nazi-era victims closes in 2031. It has no deadline. The 2031 cut-off applies to a separate declaration route for people shut out by the old gender rules, such as children of German mothers.

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